Impeachment Lawyers Representing Delco Vote Fraud Whistleblowers –Leah Hoopes and Gregory Stenstrom have retained attorneys Bruce Castor and Michael van der Veen to represent them in their crusade to explain the bizarre irregularities in Delaware County, Pa.’s voting tabulations from the Nov. 3 election.
Castor has already entered his appearance in Delaware County Court of Common Pleas, says Ms. Hoopes.
Castor and van der Veen were part of the the victorious team in Trump’s second kangaroo-court impeachment trial.
Ms. Hoopes and Strenstrom –who were Delaware County Board of Elections certified poll watchers and observers at the counting center — testified at the Nov. 25 hearing in Gettysburg before state senators that the chain of custody for ballots was shattered in Delaware County, and the USB drives containing records from voting machines disappeared.
When the Board of Elections ignored their concerns, they took the matter, on Dec. 22, to Delaware County Common Pleas Court.
Judge John Capuzzi did not allow them to present evidence or allow discovery to see ballots and envelopes, Ms. Hoopes says.
After Capuzzi dismissed their case on Jan. 11 –with prejudice — the Democrat-controlled county, in which can only be considered an act of intimidation, sought$19,224.56 in attorney fees from the whistleblowers.
Ms. Hoopes says their fundraising campaign has allowed them to hire the high powered legal team but money is still needed and contributions are continued to be accepted at https://givesendgo.com/protectingyourvote.
Pennsylvania Poll Watchers Sued By County For Questioning Election Results — Leah Hoopes and Gregory Stenstrom are being sued for costs — claimed to be $19,224.56 — relating to their actions against the Delaware County (Pa.) Board of Elections for perceived irregularities stemming from the Nov. 3 election.
Leah and Strenstrom –who were Delaware County Board of Elections certified poll watchers and observers at the counting center — testified at the Nov. 25 hearing in Gettysburg before state senators that the chain of custody for ballots was shattered in Delaware County, and the USB drives containing records from voting machines disappeared.
Leah says when the Board of Elections ignored their concerns, they took the matter, on Dec. 22, to Delaware County Common Pleas Court.
Judge John Capuzzi did not allow them to present evidence or allow discovery to see ballots and envelopes, she says.
And now, the Democrat-controlled county, in which can only be considered an act of intimidation, is seeking attorney fees, despite the attorneys defending the board being county employees.
OK, there doesn’t seem to be any dispute that USB drives vanished and the chain of custody was violated.
Why aren’t the courts interested in investigating? Why hasn’t there been any resolution to the voter books that were given to unauthorized persons as we reported on Oct. 31?
Capuzzi is a Republican. So what? People are starting to realize that it is not about Democrat vs Republican but a battle between people who want to get rich off of government — i.e. have the people be the servants — and those who know that it is government that should serve the people.
Leah says the Delaware County Republican Party has abandoned them in their battle as has the state party. Leah says the GOP lawyer they had quit and their new one, Deborah Silver, has been threatened with disbarment.
“We are being denied our 1st Amendment rights plain and simple,” said Leah. “Who is protecting us? Where is law enforcement?”
Penn Delco Falling For Marxist Con Job? — The Penn Delco School Board will vote on a resolution, Feb. 24, to created a “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion” steering committee which is obviously a gateway to propagandize your children to hate themselves, their country and you.
“The greatest threat to American society today . . .is coming from the diversity, equity, inclusion industry,” warns retired Princeton University and Vanderbilt University Professor and author Carol Swain. “It is steeped in critical race theory which is Marxist. It divides people. When you think about what is taking place on college campuses and also now in K-12, children are being bullied, they’re being shamed. Teachers are being encouraged to teach nonsense, and they may justify it by saying it is fighting racism, it’s helping racial and ethnic minorities; it’s really harming everyone’s child.”
Why would a school district need to a committee to study “diversity, equity and inclusion” anyway? If it was doing its job of creating literate, numerate citizens who knew what their rights and obligations were under the law the words would be moot.
On the other hand, if it wasn’t doing its job maybe they would have to insincerely mouth politically fashionable phrases to signal virtue and cover up its failure. The salaries and pensions can be a nice racket after all.
You make the call. Here’s the resolution.
This video of school director Lisa Esler is being circulated in attempt to shame her for her opposition to this twisted resolution.
Bad news for them. She is not shamed. And we are proud of her.
Don’t buy the claim that this is “just a committee”. If the resolution passes the goals will be realized.
Chinook Block II Will Keep Delco Plant Busy Until 2035 Says Boeing — Boeing Defense has been boasting on Twitter that the latest version of it Chinook H-47 helicopter will keep its plant in Ridley, Pa. busy for the next 15 to 20 years.
Boeing says 542 aircraft will be coming to the plant for upgrades which include new rotor blades, a new drivetrain, an enhanced fuselage and redesigned fuel tanks.
The Block II will replace the F model and carry 2,000 pounds more bringing the maximum load to 22,000 pounds.
The Chinook first flew on Sept. 21, 1961.
Chinook Block II Will Keep Delco Plant Busy Until 2035 Says Boeing
Dem Partisan Acquired Delco Voting Machines In July — The voting machines for Delaware County, Pa. were quietly acquired in July by a firm controlled by Devin Talbott. Devin is the son of Strobe Talbott, a rabid Democrat partisan with close ties to Bill and Hillary Clinton, and unsavory connections to Russia.
Delaware County, Pa. has been one of the hotbeds of the national vote fraud scandal. It came under Democrat control in 2019.
Delco’s voting machines are made by Hart InterCivic, which until July 3 had nearly 80 percent of its ownership held by H.I.G. Capital, a Miami, Florida-based private equity firm.
On that date, that share was transferred sans fanfare to Devin Talbott’s Enlightenment Capital.
A whole lot of ownership flipping of voting machine companies occurred in the last six months.
Dem Partisan Acquired Delco Voting Machines In July
Republicans Silent About Fraud Like Good Little Pennsylvania Lambs —UPDATE: We have heard back from a local party official, who convinced us the issue is not being ignored.
The silence puzzles. We have seen no press releases or even tweets or Facebook posts from Delaware County Republican officials or candidates about the rampant Nov. 3 vote fraud allegations since Halloween.
Democrats will say “HA, that proves Trump is making it all up.”
They have a point, my Republican official friends, many who read this site.
Where are you?
You don’t have to sign on to wild and exotic claims regarding Frankfurt shoot outs and Chinese ownership of voting machines.
Delaware County, Pa. is one of the hot beds of the national controversy. You can address the real, specific and concrete claims being made concerning run-of-the-mill violations of election law.
Gregory Strenstrom — you all know him right? — say the chain of custody has been shattered for more than 100,000 votes in Delco. He says 47 USB drives have disappeared.
Is he telling the truth? If yes, he can probably use some back up. If no, you can gently point that out and, well, show us where the thumb drives are.
More significantly, if yes — and we are confident that is the answer — you can start demanding new elections for Dasha Pruett, Robert Smythe, Thomas H. Killion and the other losing candidates for that matter.
Nothing to stop Dasha et al from doing it themselves, if you think about it. Tweets are free.
Why hasn’t the Delco GOP leaderships demanded an investigation into the missing voter books? Granted county District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer — the choice of George Soros — will most certainly not investigate nor will partisan hack state Attorney General Josh Shapiro but silence is consent and the Delco GOP certainly seems to be consenting with its silence.
And you don’t have to stick to Delco. You can ask how Bill Barr’s investigations (that’s a joke, son) into the intimidation of election officials in Philadelphia are going. You can ask if they’ve ever made an arrest into the theft of those Philly election USB drives.
Your silence is why so many of us love Donald Trump and have lost all respect for you.
As the Philadelphia Republicans — and maybe a certain Montgomery County Republican — have learned being in second place is a pretty soft job that can keep you fat and happy.
Republicans Silent About Fraud Like Good Little Pennsylvania Lambs
Massive Vote Fraud Established In Pennsylvania — It’s certain that there was massive fraud in the election and Donald Trump is the winner.
Wednesday, Nov. 25, the Pennsylvania Senate Majority Committee chaired by Senator Douglas V. Mastriano (R-33) held a hearing regarding the Trump campaign claims.
Gregory Strenstrom — who has expertise in forensic computer science, security and fraud and who was a poll watcher in Chester — revealed that in now-Democrat-controlled Delaware County, the chain of custody was shattered for more than 100,000 ballots; all the legally established procedures were ignored; and 47 USB cards containing vital data have disappeared.
“All chain of custody logs, records, yellow sheets, everything was gone,” he said. “All forensic evidence and all custody sheets are gone.”
The only fair solution is to throw out all of Delaware County presidential votes and hold new elections for the other offices.
Montco GOP Chairwoman Elizabeth Preate Havey testified starting at the 1:40:00 mark that county’s Democrat-controlled administration did not allow the Republicans meaningful view of the mail ballots at any time despite numerous requests. Further, the Republicans were initially told they “could not directly check the mail-in ballots”. The county agreed after push-back to allow two watchers in the counting room but they were never able to see the ballots up close, she said.
“There was no meaningful observation of the ballots,” she said. “And absolutely no check of the ballots by anyone other than the county staff — which is all run by the Democrats — as to whether or not these ballots met election code criteria.”
She said they could not check to see if voters voted twice or if voters were deceased.
“And with the removal of the signature . . . there was no way to protect against someone fraudulently voting for a registered voter,” she said.
She said this involved 200,000 ballots.
She said the Republicans were not provided with the county’s change in rules that allowed curing of the ballots. She said the county did not allow the GOP to have a representative present during the pre-canvass when it reviewed and contacted voters about defective ballots.
This type of pre-canvass was illegal, she said.
She said voters told her they received mail-in ballots even though they did nor request one.
She said at least 188 deceased people voted in Montgomery County.
Montco GOP Executive Director Julia Vahey followed Ms. Havey and said that she was one of the Republican observers that were finally allowed into the counting room.
“I was corralled into a small, narrow holding area which was blocked off by tables and Plexiglas barriers in the corner of the room,” she said. “I only had visibility to the space were ballots were flattened and scanned. This was a huge area and the closest scanner was approximately 6-feet away and the farthest approximately 25-yards away.”
She had no access or view of the room where the ballots were sorted, outside envelopes were inspected or were the outside and secrecy envelopes were opened. She said the space was divided from the scanning room by a large white wall.
It was a separate room although the county election board insisted it was all one.
“During our walk-through of the canvass facility, Sunday, Nov. 1, we argued that it was a separate room and were told by the County chief operating officer (Lee Soltysiak) that we would be able to view this space by security camera footage.”
She said the footage was streamed to a conference room on the other end of the building that was a four-minute walk away. She said the footage was of extremely poor quality and one could only see pixelated images of workers moving around the room and there was no ‘meaningful visibility’ of the ballots.”
She still lacks the information to tell voters that their vote was counted.
Col. Phil Waldron, a retired Army electronics/information warfare specialist, had maybe the most damning testimony starting at about the 1:09:00 mark.
He says his team has been working on voter machine manipulation since August but has joined with another team that has been involved with the matter since 2018 election after “after significant anomalies were observed in the Texas senate race between Democrat Beto O’Rourke and incumbent Republican Ted Cruz; and the Kentucky governor’s race between Democrat Andy Beshear and incumbent Republican Matt Bevin. Cruz won his race but it was surprisingly close, while Beshear upset Bevin.
He said “many, many more” small teams of IT security people are investigating voting machine manipulation and finding it real.
“The voting systems in the U.S. and in Pennsylvania were built to be manipulated,” he said. “They’ve been used in elections around the world and stolen elections around the world in Venezuela, Italy, Argentina, Singapore, Bolivia (which is) closest two weeks ago.”
He said the systems are connected to the internet and to servers outside the United States.
He said there is no transparency as to how the voter information is processed or stored. He said the voting record is able to modified or delated by operators, administrators and outside threats. Operators can assign votes for write-in vote ballots, blank ballots or error ballots in large numbers that can be directed a particular candidate at the operators or supervisors discretion.
Waldron brought up the theft of USB drives from a Philadelphia election warehouse which we reported here.
He said he his experts think that possibly 1.2 million Pennsylvania votes were altered or fraudulent. He said only a detailed forensic analysis of the machines and software would truly show how many citizens had their civil rights violated.
Waldron described spike anomalies.
“These are events that where a numerical amount of votes are processed in a time period that’s not . . . mechanically possible under normal circumstances.”
There is a manufacturer’s specified rate of speed as to the number of ballots that can be imaged and processed, he noted.
On Election Day there was a spike of about 337,000 votes added in “one big batch” in Pennsylvania in 90 minutes.
“That’s an anomaly in the reporting. Normally, you would expect to see a smooth curve going up not any big spikes . . . That big spike that occurs there is a prime indicator of fraudulent voting,” he said.
There were several other spikes through the night. Taken together they represented about 577,000 votes for Biden and about 3,200 for Trump.
Waldron and Rudy Giuliani made a claim that does not hold up in that 1.8 million absentee ballots were requested but 2.5 million returned. It’s conclusive that far more than 2.5 million absentee ballots were requested.
Waldron’s error may be due to bad labeling on the Department of State’s website.
Another troubling tidbit comes from State Rep. Don Moul (R-91). Moul said (2:28:55) he tried to get a requirement that mail-in ballots be barcoded but was told by Gov. Wolf that such a provision would be subject to automatic veto if it should hit his desk. Why should Wolf object to such a provision? Why don’t the self-proclaimed “watchdogs” in the old media ask?
Another bombshell came from Sen. Mario M. Scavello (R-40) who said at the 2:35:29 mark the legislature did not vote for the new machines but was done at the mandate of the governor.
Delco Vote Fraud Cited In Fed Lawsuit Says Fitton — We published a report , Nov. 6, from a trusted friend regarding an eyewitness account of massive vote fraud by the Democrats who now control Delaware County, Pa.
Yesterday, Nov. 9, investigative activist Tom Fitton gave more credence to the claim when he tweetedDelaware County, PA mail-in ballot count increased by 14,000 over several days with no explanation according to new federal lawsuit
Delaware County Vote Fraud Alleged — We got this from a trusted friend concerning Delaware County, Pa. Not saying you have to believe it but we do. Regardless, it’s something to keep in the back of your mind.
Our great Republic was murdered last night.
I haven’t been so angry and felt so helpless since I watched the Twin Towers get hit and go down, first hand, on 9/11.
I arrived back home last night at midnight from the Democrat controlled Delaware County, PA “vote counting” facility sickened by the blatant corruption and fraud I witnessed, with Leah Hoopes, over the previous 48 hours, having slept only two hours.
I personally documented tens of thousands of manufactured votes prop up Biden, engorging the popular count in Pennsylvania, and the flipping of the undercard elections from almost a sweep of Republican wins to Democrat candidate wins.
The Democrat mechanics that executed the fraud did not have the brain power to be the architects of the fraud. It was diabolically designed to forensically destroy any meaningful audit trail that will make it incredibly difficult to challenge other than by testimony of the few that personally witnessed it, and had the expertise to understand what they were looking at. That alone should be a weather vane to convince the citizenry of the fraud, that I will describe in detail in later posts, assuming Facebook permits it.
I provided my testimony in phone affidavits to lawyers throughout much of the afternoon, first to try to get injunctions to stop the “counting process” so we could show the fraud to the American citizenry, who I think would have been equally horrified, both Democrat and Republican. But, mine and similar efforts throughout the Pennsylvania Commonwealth were repeatedly squashed by local Democrat Election Boards, Democrat Judges, Democrat DA’s, Democrat Solicitors, a Democrat Governor, Democrat Cabinet, a 6-2 Democrat Supreme Court, and a Democrat infrastructure that has been assembled and installed at great expense over a period of over a decade, and an ineffective local Republican leadership and infrastructure, content on holding rallies, printing posters, and posting selfies in social media.
Leah Hoopes, her Delco Watchdogs, several veterans, and myself were among the only Republicans in Delaware County who watched and tried to stop the disaster by engaging legal assistance, documenting, and pleading with unhearing Democrat administrators, without any meaningful assistance from local GOP. The only ones who helped were national GOP, many from President Trump’s staff who were overwhelmed by the nationwide debacle, the Thomas More Society, and Project Amistad.
What we saw the last three days was a trigger pull, not an “election.” I personally did everything I could to stop it, including warning GOP officials starting four years ago that this election would be about who counted the vote, not who voted. Few listened.
The fact that millions of citizens physically went to the polls and voted or mailed in ballots was all kabuki theater, and was disassociated from the “counting process.”
I was most affected by the constant maniacal laughter and mirth of the large cast of exclusively Democrat officials, employees, and “volunteers,” who knowingly executed the fraud and thought the obvious corruption was hysterical. I was even laughed at by the assistant to the Judge who wrote the order allowing me 5 minutes every 2 hours to see the most meaningful part of the process, and an unidentified male in the background on the phone, who I can only presume was the Judge himself.
What struck me most was all of the Democrat laughter I heard over the past 3 days, was it was never a derisive chuckle, or comparable to something you might hear watching an amusing comedy, but rather, a uniformly deranged, demonic cackle that mimicked Hillary Clinton’s. It made my skin crawl.
Their laughter was directed at all of us. They made no effort to hide their fanatic hatred of President Trump, and “Trumpsters,” and viscerally enjoyed participating in the dismantling of the elective process.
While tens of millions of President Trump’s supporters and those that love our Republic celebrated in rallies throughout our nation over the past four years, the Democrats sequestered themselves in basements and back rooms, and plotted, connived and manufactured a “voting process” that is simply a veneer of legitimacy that allowed them to choose the outcome of this election – and any they might care to allow in the future.
No one’s vote mattered to them. Our Republic did not matter to them.
There are several remediative possibilities. We may be able to forensically demonstrate fraud, among other litigative vectors, but the most obvious peaceful resolution that I can arrive at is a do-over that will provide transparency so that ALL our citizenry can participate in maintaining our Republic.
My affidavits, photos, diagrams, and all details I documented are being transcribed by multiple lawyers, and I will post them as soon as possible.
I advise prayer, contemplation and trust in our God, our citizenry, our Republic, and our President, while we sort this all out.
Delco Voter Books Missing; Does Dem Vote Fraud Loom?
We have received this press release from the Delaware County (Pa.) Republican Party and feel it is important to share.
Alarmed that a number of measures have not already been put in place, Tom McGarrigle, Chairman of the Delaware County Republican Party, called on the County’s Election Board to take immediate action to protect the integrity of the upcoming election and prevent the disenfranchisement of voters at the polls on Election Day.
Delco First Assistant District Attorney Tanner Rouse is tasked to be the point man on election problems. Here he is bragging on social media about campaigning for Democrats. Yes, it’s concerning.
McGarrigle also expressed alarm that when at least two duly elected Judges of Election went to pick up their voter books from the Election Board today (Oct. 30), they had already been picked up by other individuals. The Election Board was unable to determine who picked up the books, demonstrating a complete lack of basic safeguards and protections. The location of the books, which are used to verify a person’s eligibility to vote at a polling place – and confirm they had not already voted by mail-in ballot — remains unknown at this time.
McGarrigle called on the Election Board to establish clear procedures and safeguards in three key areas:
1. Ensuring the county’s 44 mail-in ballot drop boxes are closed and secured at 8 pm on Election Day, as well as providing for bipartisan oversight of the collection and delivery of those ballots;
2. Preventing the disenfranchisement of voters by ensuring each polling location has ample provisional ballots to address the problem of many individuals never receiving their requested mail-in ballots (Note there was a problem in the primary election where many polling locations ran out of provisional ballots); and
3. Establishing clear procedures with bipartisan oversight for segregating mail in ballots received after Election Day to ensure compliance with the recent opinion issued by the US Supreme Court.
“It is alarming that we are just days away from the election and the Election Board has failed to address many important issues related to ensuring a fair and secure election,” said McGarrigle. “The county Republican Party has attempted to work in good faith with the Democratic run county government, but many of our concerns about the lack of transparency and details on steps being taken to ensure the integrity of the election have gone unanswered.”
McGarrigle said he was driven to take his concerns public because those concerns have gone unanswered and unaddressed. He said the Delaware County Republican Party was informed that Tanner Rouse, the First Assistant District Attorney under Democratic DA Jack Stollsteimer was the county’s “point person” on addressing election concerns. He said that a number of questions and concerns have gone unanswered by Rouse and was bewildered when Rouse posted today on social media that he was out campaigning on behalf of Democrats Deb Ciamacca and Mary Gay Scanlon (see attached). McGarrigle noted the irony, particularly since the Chester Spirit reported shortly after Stollsteimer took office earlier this year that as a result of a new ethics policy he instated that “partisan activity was ceased” by employees of the DA’s office.
“It is unbelievable that the county’s point person on ‘fair elections’ who is responsible for reviewing and investigating any complaints from the Republican Party is engaging in campaign activities for one party while ignoring our requests to ensure the integrity of the elections,” said McGarrigle. “It’s a blatant conflict of interests and raises serious questions about whether our our concerns will receive an unbiased, fair review.”
“When voters approved Delaware County’s Home Rule Charter, they specifically established the Election Bureau as an independent entity free of the control of Delaware County Council to provide for fair elections and safeguard against improper influence by any one political party. In the months leading up to the election, we have seen the complete politicization of the Election Bureau and Election Board by Delaware County Council. County Council’s violation of the independence of the Election Board, the repeated violations of the Sunshine Act, lack of transparency, and the failures to safeguard the security of the election process need to be addressed.”
McGarrigle stated that to date the Election Bureau has failed to ensure compliance with state law that requires all ballots must be submitted by 8 pm on Election Day by establishing procedures to close and secure each of the county’s 44 drop box locations at that time. Currently, the county plans to have 4 vans drive to each drop box location and collect those ballots without any bipartisan oversight. That would also mean ballots could continue to be deposited in drop box locations well after 8 pm. McGarrigle called on the Election Board to immediately establish a process by which each drop box has a tamper-proof seal with a serial number placed upon it by the Judge of Elections for that precinct under the oversight of a watcher to remove any concerns that any ballot could be discarded or tampered with. He also called for a process by which watchers could monitor the travel of those vans until those drop boxes were delivered and properly secured.
McGarrigle said that there were rampant issues during the primary election of polling locations having insufficient provisional ballots on hand. McGarrigle predicted demand for provisional ballots would be even higher during the upcoming general election because many voters have not yet received their mail-in ballots from Delaware County, despite making their requests weeks ago. During the primary election, the scarcity of provisional ballots at polling locations forced many Judge of Elections to require voters to wait for more to be delivered in order to vote provisionally. In some cases, voters left and did not return due to transportation issues or time constraints, resulting in the disenfranchisement of those voters. He said the Delaware County Republican Party has repeatedly raised concerns about ensuring ample provisional ballots that have gone unanswered by the Election Board or the District Attorney’s Office.
McGarrigle also noted that the recent opinion issued last week by the US Supreme Court requires that all mail-in-ballots received after Election Day be segregated from the other mail-in ballots until the court can hear arguments and issue a decision on the case. He said that the Election Board needs to establish a clear and secure process – with bipartisan oversight – for ensuring that mail-in ballots received after the Election Day are not co-mingled with other ballots.
“Given the politicization of the Election Board that has already occurred, these are fair but much-needed steps that need to be taken to provide reassurances and ensure the integrity of the process and provide for a fair, untainted election,” said McGarrigle.
McGarrigle explained that over the course of the past few months, there have been many irregularities related to the actions by Delaware County Council and the Election Bboard. He said that going forward, there needs to be clear dividing between County Council and the Election Board to restore its independence. McGarrigle pointed to violations of the Sunshine Act, such as failing to provide public notice regarding agenda items before the Election Board.
He also expressed concern that County Council, on Oct. 7, approved $80,000 in no bid contracts, including a $53,000 contract to Today Media, the parent company of Main Line Today magazine, for “voter outreach.” At the October 6th County Council agenda meeting, Councilwoman Christine Reuther stated that the contracts needed to be approved because the two companies were already doing the work and needed to get paid. Earlier this week, the contractors issued a communication under the name of the Delaware County Election Board that was never reviewed or approved by the members of the board or their solicitor.
“It is extremely concerning that there had been no explanation of why this work was not competitively bid , how the firms were selected, who selected them, and how they could enter into contracts with them before any approvals were given,” said McGarrigle. “In addition, who is approving these communications from the Election Board without their knowledge or authorization?”
McGarrigle raised a number of other concerns as well, including failures to address problems of ballot harvesting and repeated failures by the majority of the Election Board to provide proper notification to the Republican representative on the board on a range of issues. McGarrigle also noted that the county’s establishment of an Election Working Group, which met regularly and included a quorum of both County Council and the Election Board, as well as other select, hand-picked organizations violated the Sunshine Act. He said those meetings should have been open to the public.
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